Posted by: chandni | April 17, 2008

Ladka marey kambakth ka; Ladki marey bhaagwaan ki

which basically means “fool who loses his male child and the fortunate one who loses a girl child”.

First of all, go read this. And also this by the same gentleman. I feel like getting a statue made of the man and then let loose pigeons on it. Or worse, make him stand at a crossroad and unleash girls and women on him.

Alright Mister Malpani, its funny your name you know. Quite indicative of your mission in life…to rake in the maal at the cost of all ethics. Still, for argument’s sake, I’ll indulge you. Because sad as it is, I know you are not alone. There are thousands of people, men and women who agree with you, and feed off professionals like you who provide encouragement and twisted logic to something that is clearly wrong…any which way you look at it.

If a couple have had three boys, for instance, and want to have a fourth child, why shouldn’t they have the option of choosing to give birth to a girl?

I myself am very happy with my two girls. However, I would not want to impose my views on others. The couple we treated already had one baby girl and wanted only one more baby to complete their family. They said they wanted a boy for a balanced family. This was a reasonable request, and if we have the technology to fulfill it, then why not use it?

Really? That simple eh? That doesn’t sell you oaf because only when people have had boys that they seem to desire a girl in this society. And truth be told, a lot of people might succumb to the “hum do hamare do” ideology and envisage a family with a boy and a girl. Yet, if not the perfect scenario, two boys is still acceptable. 2 girls, however, is not. And either you are extremely naive to believe that its all just about “balancing” the family, or are just fishing for arguments to continue making money the immoral way.

Many doctors would have few or no qualms about “discarding” an embryo diagnosed as having trisomy 21, in the belief that a baby with Down’s syndrome will have a less than optimal quality of life.If we allow people to choose when to have babies, how many to have, and even to terminate pregnancies if they inadvertently get pregnant, then why not allow them to select the sex of their child, if it is possible?

The man wonders, if it is alright to abort a foetus with disability, why isn’t it alright to choose the sex of the child?

The fact is Mister, being blessed with a female foetus is not the same at being burdened with a child who has disabilities. Yet, in this society, girl embryos are treated as just that. A foetus with disability. The financial implication is high ( dowry), the emotional angle ( they go away to another family, we in vest so much but lose them) and they suffer at the hands of society anyway.

One cannot “choose” the child on the basis of its sex because that is the work of nature. Not of corrupt doctors who won’t hesitate to misuse technology for a few extra notes. Tell me, if couples have planned for 2 children and the first two are girls, why do they try a third time?? Would they still do so equally if one of the first two was a boy?

Your argument does not make sense simply because it never is about “balance”. It is always about an obsession with a boy as they will apparently carry the family name forward, they will take care of parents in old age, they will not leave with dowry but get it, they will carry family businesses forward.

The want of a boy is rooted in culture and position of women in our society. And as of now, it doesn’t seem to hold any favour towards girls. And that is why even when we have a legislation in place that bans sex detection and makes it illegal, there is not a single case where someone has been convicted for indulging in the same. Because people like you, who are in a position to do something and contribute to the cause, believe that it is alright to abort foetuses on the basis of sex. Perfectly healthy embryos that have a right to be born, if a couple desires a child.

Yes, one would argue that the position of women needs o change in society and we need to start looking at females as an asset, as much as a male child. But while we get there, either you should understand the morality and complexities in the issue or stop the facade of being happy with “your” girls. Because if it is alright for you to have only girls complete your family, it definitely is alright for everyone else as well.

Responses

My God. What utter utter balderdash.
What does this person think he’s doing? Instead of helping change archaic mindsets, such allegedly educated professionals are pandering to them.

Disgusting things can happen to female children in our country. But that does not abrogate their right to be born.

me: and it just doesn’t stop. It is so disheartening to see medical professionals stoop to such levels to make money.

oh my God !!! what on earth is he saying/doing ?!

As much as I want to believe that the girl-child and other such disbeliefs are fading away in India, I’m encountered by twice as many news as this one !!!

…and to say he is a doctor !!!!!

me: exactly. That he is a doctor and in a position to “help” people do the wrong thing.

My first reaction was wtf. Sheesh! Sometimes education doesn’t do anything, anything at all :(

me: sad as it is, education doesn’t do anything for this issue. The upper classes and the rich might pretend to be pro girl child but its in these classes, that foeticide is rampant. Not to mention, doctors ensuring discreet procedures don’t help.

I saw/heard this guy for the first time on “We The People” show. He is an idiot. This is probably silly of me to say this, but I get the feeling that he and his wife purposefully had girls, so that he could do his business (at the end, I think for him it’s about money and I think he made shit loads of it) and justify it by saying “I have girls, so don’t blame me”…because it seems like he uses the fact that he has daughters as a justification. Maybe I’m totally off on this because I don’t know the man and I’m purely speculating, but I don’t like him and I think he is a horrible person.

me: No, you are absolutely right. A person who would actually love girls can never have such an opinion on the issue. I think he’s a horrible person too

like u say interesting name!
But Mannnn!!!! what an ass hole

me: ironic isn’t it?

*applause at Chandni*

Well done! That guy was completely out of his own league….you set him right.

It makes me so mad that people like that are spouting off crap… I agree that he uses his “I have daughters myself” argument to ‘impose his views’ on everyone. *still shaking my head at his nonsense*

me: agree completely. He’s a sleaze ball.

Maybe the chap needs to see the movie Matrubhoomi. Then we should ask him to review his writings.

me: I don’t think it would make a difference. Selfish MCPs like him will never think of the future beyond their own life.

Yes, Matrubhumi is one of the most horrifying films ever. As it is, Haryana and Punjab have skewed the sex ratios to an extent that they are ‘importing’ brides from far off places like the North East and Kerala. It is horrifying to think of the difficulties these girls face in places where they are totally unfamiliar with the language, cuisine and the general local culture.

me: sad as it is, it is much like the environment debate. One would not think that my waste contibutes to the larger picture and how would it matter if 100 years from now the earth is destroyed because I won’t live to see it right?? Similarly aborting girl children brings out similar apathy in people.

Sheesh. *grumble grumble* What is this? a society?

me: Our society. Ugly and cruel.

You go, woman! Viva la Femme indeed!

me: :)

Viva la femme, indeed.
These bastards need a white-hot poker up the arse.

me: I’ll be glad to do the honours

Welcome to India! Where literacy rates might have gone up a teeny bit, but people are still not educated… or aware… or ready to understand any need for any “balance”. You know what’s happening in China now? The government is paying couples who have girls (as the male-female ratio went insanely berserk in that country). But our government can’t and shouldn’t pay people to have any children. Our population is exploding, our resources and infrastructure is sorely limited and we have more ignorant and idiotic people roaming the streets.

Such ignorant bastards (pardon my french) shouldn’t be allowed to have children. After all parents ensure what the kids grow up to be like right? And are responsible for inculcating values and morals and ethics in their children… What is happening to our country! Argh. We need a drastic re-education of our society!

me: we need to look at women as as much of an asset. And that will happen only when ills like dowry, sexist marriages and crimes against women end.

The idiot says : “We should keep in mind that PGD has little scope for misuse. It is extremely expensive - over Rs. One lakh per treatment cycle - with only a 25 per cent chance of pregnancy in a given cycle.”

And what will bring the cost down? More patients opting for it ofcourse! Idiot.

me: oh yes. I never thought of that!

What they dont realize is, at the end, there will be no females left on this Earth. Then all these supposedly called ‘MEN’ can enjoy alone and try to reproduce.

me: but that’s so far ahead in the future no? So won’t affect immideate people and nothing will happen in their life time. Who cares?

Do you know I first went to this chappie for treatment? And just didnt conceive. And somehow was never comfortable. Always felt a little wary and I guess that showed with nothing working for me.
I shifted to Indira Hinduja and bingo, the brat formed in utero. And damn, I just wanted a kid, male or female.
The husband is still miffed. You see, he wanted a daughter.

me: Can I have the clinic’s address and contact no?

This man’s basic argument is all skewed anyway. The very fact that he says that people who have three boys should be able to decide that they want a fourth child that’s female means that he believes in there being an inherent difference between a male and a female. Isn’t being a parent, having a healthy child enough for people? And for a doctor to condone something as sick as this - outrageous!

me: Its because of louts like him that things are the way they are and not a single conviction has occured. Because people in a position to bring crime to light actually condone it.

The lengths to which Indian parents will stoop to to have a boy child is amazing. Nothing he or anyone else says can justify what people in our country do to the girl child. In fact nothing can justify what they have been doing for centuries.

And this asshole is fooling no one when he says the whole “one lac” thing. No matter how expensive it is, people will take loans to pay for it if it means having a boy child. People like him should be barred from practicing medicine. Or from being a parent.

me: I agree!

Rito! I’ve seen many people talk against society and the rules and norms. But the very same people when with their family follow every shitty thing. Why is this so? I feel alien.

me: that’s us twisted humans

I don’t know why all you guys are spending so much time on this asshole… just find out the bugger’s name and address and pass it on to me… he just needs to be put behind bars… after getting a few boots on his buttocks and a nightstick up his ass in the station house…

me: :)

Dunno.

On the one hand, I suppose you’re totally right about this guy promoting his own cause and covering it under the garb of a ‘perfect family’ and ‘balance’ arguments. Doesn’t fool anybody. Not in an Indian context, anyway.

But then, on the other hand (a la Fiddler on the roof!!) there’re so many people around who WOULD want a child of a specific gender, not arising out of any ‘anti-girl’ or ‘anti-boy’ feeling, not because of society, but just because they do. Now that my friends are having kids, I see most would-be fathers and mommies yearning for a daughter. Why not let them have one?

Sometimes I feel sad for those couples who want a baby boy - for good reasons that is, not for societal ones. It’s almost taboo in the circles we move around in - the liberated, broad minded us - to say we want a baby boy. It’s almost fashionable to say we want a baby girl. What about those who have a genuine leaning towards baby boys? Like so many of us who genuinely would want a baby daughter?

I dunno…. confused, rambling…

:(

@ways: given the fact that both girls and boys arrive naturally and complete a society…don’t you think there really are no reasons other than “social” ones that make people sway towards a specific gender?? If not, one wouldn’t care as long as they have a healthy child. Desiring a particular gender is alright (wishful thinking), but if u don’t get it, is it ok to abort it?

@ways: Isn’t it also “fashionable”, like you say - to imagine having a girl and dressing her up in pink, and having a boy and playing with train sets?

Isn’t that’s what’s wrong inherently? The thinking that girls and boys are different??

Just read my comment and realised it sounds as if i am in favour of letting people choose the gender of their child - wanted to clarify I AM NOT. because unfortunately this society we live in is by and large crappy and the title Chandni you gave to this post is so infuriatingly true.

@ threedrinksahead - I don’t know. Like I said, I am confused and ramble on that topic. I always wanted a baby girl when i finally do become a mom, but that doesnt stop me from noticing everybody who’s expecting a child saying they want a daughter and i feel a tad sad for the baby boys. That’s all.

I wasn’t really talking about girls and boys being different (sorry if that’s how it sounded). I am an only child of my parents (a girl, incidentally) and I don’t think i was treated any different from my male cousins… God forbid I ever think they are!

@way: I hope u realize that there’s only one way to look at “selective” reproduction. Its against nature. Not to say that if someone wants to abort a boy just because, its ok. If a couple desires a child, it should be what comes there way. As long as a foetus is healthy it shouldn’t matter whether its a girl or a boy.

Hey Guys,

Would you sit down discussing the merits or demerits of terrorism with a crazed terrorist? No, you would go to the nearest police station or anti-terrorist cell and report the guy if he was sowing disaffection or teaching others the merits of terrorism… Because there is a law against terrorism drawn up against society’s realization that this scourge is destructive and dangerous to its existence… the people, as sovereign created that law… to enforce that law, we also look for or at least keep our eyes open for people about to cross the line between normal human beings and terrorists…

This Malpani guy is a proselytizer of the most dangerous kind… for all you know, the guy is already practicing what he means to preach! There is a law against your dangerous leanings, Mr. Malpani. We know what your ‘ethical’ arguments are about - just a smoke-screen to make some ‘maal-paani’. I think some movement in Mumbai should keep a track of this guy’s activities and report him if there is any evidence of his breaking Indian Law…

@rajiv: I completely agree. And I am sure he’s doing it anyway. Let me find someone who’s based in bombay and can help. In the meantime, lets find out everything we can about this sleaze ball.

Also wanted to put this down here…something that Chandni just told me…about there being a code that a lot of doctors use to tell people the gender of the foetus. They write the report in blue ink if it’s a boy, and in red ink if it’s a girl. And to think that this law hasn’t got a single conviction till date. Wouldn’t all the courts need be someone to conclusively testify, and to see a chain in the code used?

me: there are a lot more ways to disguise the heinous crime. This is just the tip of the iceberg

Who said anything about aborting? I thought this guy meant you can choose to have the foetus as a baby boy or a baby girl… somehow. Sorry, I’m a louse about understanding scientific stuff.

Aborting?? but of course aborting is out (unless it’s about teen/unplanned pregrancies). Gosh, no no and no. Of COURSE.

me: glad that got cleared. This man talks about sex selective abortions. No greys there.

Yea yea I know. All the parents and relatives and in-laws forcing something down your throat. While you like a desi-wellbehaved-bahu (or whatever) take in the crap. I think it is all in the upbringing of kids that these stuffs are put inside the brains. Why in the world would someone prefer a certain sex over the other? Just for the sake of making an ideal family of four (mom, dad, son, daughter)? F**K
Atleast they can’t corrupt the minds of animals. *sigh*

me: No, its not about completeing a f amily…apparantly only girls do not complete the family…boys carry the legacy forward rememeber?

Hi,

Can I give a slightly different view? I say this after failing 2 IVF cycles with doctors not being able to say why it failed or even why the embroyos were not implanting. From what I understand from my research, PGD is an extremely useful tool to predict whether embroyos (when they are still 4-6 cells, rather than full grown foetuses/babies) are healthy or not- and which in turn gives a clue on implantation that is - if the embryo is not likely to develop into a healthy baby, nature takes over and prevents implantation.

Yes, it has great potential for misuse. At the same time, it is extremely frustrating not to have access to it for the purpose of figuring out why i cannot have a baby while the rest of the world is seemingly popping them out by the dozen (sorry for the language - that’s how frustrating it can get). At the end of the day, even I want to have the experience of giving birth to a healthy child and raising it. (Before anybody jumps - I am seriously considering adoption - at the same time, I am at least entitled to know why my body is unsuitable for pregnancy)

On the cost factor - anybody going through IVF has to bear huge costs - and PGD is one of the processes forming part of IVF. When the embroyos were being transferred in my second cycle - the doctors involved were so happy to see the way they had developed and were shocked to hear that it had failed - but they did not have access to PGD to tell me why it failed.

I guess all I am trying to say is that PGD is an extremely useful tool - don’t condemn it or people who advocate it just because it can be misused.

Sorry for the long comment.

me: not at all SM! Please feel free to say more if you want to…I completely know what you are trying to say. I don’t think its about PGD at all. But then you look at this man, supposedly a doctor, who’s advocating its use openly for sex determination. I am all for use of technology that helps a couple conceive a child, however…it is restricted to a CHILD and not specificaaly a BOY or GIRL. That’s when it goes horribly wrong…you tell me, after listening to this guy’s opinion, how can one trust him to use the technology wisely?? He’s the first of the lot that would misuse it for personal benefit. It is sad, as you said, there are people yearning for a baby, a healthy child, and there is rampant killing of perfectly healthy foetuses just because they are female?

Was over eight years ago. But I do know its in Colaba, next to the post office. I guess, you will find it through Google.

Reproductive technology is to be used for helping women who cannot conceive, to conceive, not for gender selection.

Anyone arguing in favour of gender selection in a country where they’re murdering female children, needs to either be jailed or treated for mental disorder. There cannot be a case for gender selection in India, period!

We have a ratio of 735:1000 in places in India. To even debate the matter is dangerous for society..

Look at what is happening in Haryana… One brother pays up front to ‘import’ a woman from Bihar, Orissa or Chhattisgarh to become a bride for him because there aren’t Haryanvi women to be had for love or money. Because the clan can ‘afford’ only one ‘bride’, he and his brothers share the woman to perpetuate their lust for a son, all the while aborting female fetuses or just murdering a girl child, if born!! In this kind of environment we want to debate gender selection? Are we stark, raving, mad?

There cannot be an argument in favour of the ‘informed’ citizen… what measure do you have to decide that? The most prosperous parts of Punjab have the lowest female ratios!

Ladies and Gentlemen, we don’t compromise on some things… we do not raise our hand in a Nazi salute - its in appalling bad taste anywhere in the world and a criminal offence in most of Europe… We do not discuss the merits of terrorism… the last word on that was uttered some years ago… Similarly, to debate gender selection in India is in appalling bad taste… (as if we actually could have another viewpoint!) …and we should let the likes of Malpani know this…

But then… I ramble so…

Kiran Manral has posted Malpani’s Fax number… let Malapani know what so many of us think about his “ethical” viewpoint… Just type out a message for him and fax it…

@all: On Kiran’s request I’ve deleted the address/no from here but have it with me. If you want it please email me and I’ll send it across or you can google it as well.

Have been a lurker here for some time. Great post - and strikes right home. It’s sad that this kind of discrimination exists in a civilized society even this day

me: In my opinion as the stakes rise, it only gets worse…

Un-f***ing-believable.
Is this some weird kind of pathetic reverse psychology?
Jesus Christ.The guy needs to be shot.And he actually has the nerve to project the whole thing as legit!

me: Its all about the money honey!

Hi we just blogged about him on Unchaahi.(http://unwantedgirlchild.blogspot.com/2008/04/doctor-malpani-ivf-specialist.html)

We are trying to make a difference in our own way abut this skewed gender ratio- so we started Unchaahi to bring in a level of awareness of this epidemic.

me: Thanks alankrita…I just saw ur comments on tht article and I think u’ve frisked it very well!

ah maybe I should’ve cared to close the html last time ;)

Well, the blog is here . I hope it works this time!! :)

me: Please do. I was going to write to you to feature it on unchaahi anyway :)

I am not sure if many of us really know where to stop research and breakthroughs..I mean what would we really achieve by selecting the sex..lets go with what the article said like achieving a balanced family, so what balance are we looking at?..in terms of numbers?..when did the balance of a family become an mathematical equation derived from numbers of male and females?.. regarding the decisions to killing children with disabilities..I personally do not feel this should be allowed.. I don’t think parents should be allowed to choose whether a life should continue to exist..there it no way that can be compared to girl child

btw I forgot to mention..there is a wonderful thing called adoption..why don’t people try to achieve the balance of the society rather than just family.

Ye aadmi hai ya pyjama? This post of his is pretty old… wonder why anyone hasn’t noticed this earlier and done something about this guy? I wish someone would molotov cocktail his clinic, i plan to do it myself when i am in his town next.

PS : I agree with Rambler… adoption is such a wonderful way to bring balance. Just that we need to get above the ‘apna khoon’ mentality

it doesn’t matter what he says, just like it doesn’t matter what people who oppose sex-determination say….it’s the people who actually abort female foetus that are wrong, even women have a male mentality so often and that is the problem….

Dr Maalpani, I too am a Medical Practitioner with nearly 24 years in practice as a GP or in Mumbai lingo– a Family Physician, thus dealing with & being deeply embroiled in the Family affairs of my patients.I think I am an average educated Indian who is deeply patriotic and how do you say it? “Proud to be an Indian”!! Had someone, ANYONE suggested your view to me, I would have without second thought pronounced him an IDIOT of the first order and a pompous God-player with a skewed ostrich mentality. On reading your views with more patience, I see your ideas a little more clearly and realise that working in an Infertility clinic must make you see desperate couples who have a deep-seated need for a child. The light-hearted way with which you have expounded the problem facing all societies the world over today– tells of a very narrow-minded and irresponsible approach to Life in general.
Dr Maalpani, I would like to ask you to show me somethings. Show me — An average Indian (which is 98.9% of our population!)who is civic-minded, responsible and can think & act beyond paying his own electricity bill, and arrange to send his kids to school.Show me an average Indian who keeps his town clean. Who renounces the use of polythene. Who does Rain-harvesting. Who is aware of the world aroud and its problems and spends 5 minutes a week thinking about them. Show me an average Indian lady(educated or not) who chooses her Career, her Mate, who decides on taking an Insurance Policy for herself and her family, who decides the timing of bringing her children in the world, who takes Family Planning options without the advise/orders of her husband or In-laws. Show me an average Indian Lady who can decide when to make or break her career, who gives priority to HERSELF and her needs as the pivot of her family.
Show me these and other such people and I will agree with you on allowing the Right to select the baby girl/boy of her choice!!
Wake Up Dr Maalpani!! This is India! Giving this and other such rights to an individual is not YET an option for the Human Being developed so far?? Yes we HAVE come a long way from the Iron & Stone Ages no doubt! But we have a LONG way to go before we can be responsible lifeforms for taking such decisions & playing “God”! Thats what governments are for! To prevent the individual from taking decisions that would slowly but surely DESTROY the world.And talking of Governments… Show me an intelligently voted-for government too!!!!

I’m going to read your post later, but in the meantime you’ve been tagged:
http://anjipatchwork.blogspot.com/2008/04/random-game.html

errmm… preparing to be slaughtered here.

As a mother - I badly wanted a girl and cried for three hours after the brat was born (I plead insanity under the influence
of the csec drugs and painkillers) and refused to even look at him.

i dont think its fashionable to want a girl. its about the kind of person you are. I am a girly girl. I love my frills. on the other hand i have a fuss free friend who gets annoyed with little girls and their curls and wants a boy she can rough around with.

now there i agree with every word of your agreement, but as a mother, i know that for the 9 months i carried each of these children, i had a dream. and i will never think there was anything wrong with it. ppl do want boys for reasons other than family name and carrying on the business. and ppl do want girls for reasons other than it being the hep thing to do these days.

SM - (sorry, Chandu, raising the rating of this blog) - F**K people who jump at you and want to know why you’re going through failed IVF cycle after the other instead of adoption. its worse than the pro-choice argument in my opinion. if you want a child born of your own body, nobody has a right to judge you as long as you are not hurting anybody else and doing it with your own money. those who feel so strongly about it, should go adopt. i am tired of ppl judging those who want to conceive with medical assistance. its such warped morality. adopt because you want to - not because you cant have your own and you’re desperate alone. i know plenty of ppl who adopt despite giving birth to their own kids. why is it okay to allow technology and medicine to give you so much else, a new face, a new heart - and yet not your precious child?

and finally - i know someone who went through IVF 4 times. Each time it was a boy - and in the 4-5th month was discovered to have a heart problem and she kept miscarrying. finally they did the IVF and it was a girl and it survived because apparently the faulty whatever gene was only in the boy child. so in this case - sex selection gave her a healthy baby.

that said - i’m against sex selection and there’s a name for ppl who do it - i just cant use it in public.

sorry chandu - long comment. going away now :D

me: hey don’t apologise for the long comment at all!
See, as I said earlier…I have no issues with people desiring a certain child…like your case. yes you “wanted” a particular sex…but did u deliberately choose? You still left it to nature didn’t u? The case u describe of your friend’s is a medical case….and there it was the only way for her to have a child…that is completely acceptable…and totally different from wanting a girl because one’s girly or wanting a boy because one’s tom boyish….I am sure all expecting couples discuss it amonst themselves as to what they like…how it’ll be if it were a boy or a girl etc etc…but that’s about people diff from the ones who want to murder girl children just because they see them as a burden and a liability. And a doctor promoting sex selection as a right of a parent will never ever have my approval…

boy, there are plenty complaints against him but the medical + politicians lobby in India is far too strong for anything to happen to him and other doctors like him. the business that doctors like him are in is a multi-crore rupees business. why would they just let it go like that? they’ll fight tooth and nail to maintain it!

What mad momma said reminded me that there is a saying in bengali which means that girls have the life spirit or rather survival instinct of a koi fish which keeps alive for quiet long even after taken out of water. Supposedly girl foetus/infants/children have better survival chances than men.

@Chandni have u read this blog? Read his take on marital rape,abortion,eve teasing and what not..This pigeon thing can be done on him too
http://presentindia.blogspot.com/

me: thanks for pointing out. Will surely read and see what he has to say!

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